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jaskie1505 February 16, 2012 at 10:25 pm

Wait a minute. I own a business and don't receive any tax dollars. What am I doing wrong. I pay my labor a good, competitive wage. Any profits we make should be mine for taking the risk of starting a business. I'm also very familiar with Power Connection and they receive a lot of support from businesses and business owners, including my support. Your barking up the wrong tree Jackie.

Nancy Eichelberger February 16, 2012 at 10:27 pm

We encourage all who want to get involved in our democracy to educate yourself by seeking facts and then deciding where you stand on the issues of the day. This is hard work, and certainly not something that can be accomplished by reading any blog and the comments it generates. MoveOn has some core principles that i happen to agree with, as do millions of others. Our council is made up of good folks who stand together for what we believe in...no more, no less.

Roseann February 16, 2012 at 10:32 pm

Your kidding. Your using that talking point from what's her face? Warren, right?
No one gets rich on their own, many contribute and many ways, roads and schools are a big reason businesses succeed. No one doe it on "their own"! Yeah, it's called TAXES!!! ...

Franklin Marshall February 16, 2012 at 10:45 pm

So peteee363, I followed the link you had a few rants ago, and you have proven that you are a tea-bag idiot! Andrew Brietbart's web page! You have got to do your best to get off of the Fox News channel, (aka; GOPNEWS) and open your eyes! Their lies, false statements, dishonest dealings should be apparent to you, but, alas, I guess it is too hard to see and hear when your head is up Murdocks' a** up to your shoulders! I am so sick of low-information jerks like you - you support the same upper-crust millionaires and billionaires that have created these problems with their unquenchable greed! Wake up man! We are falling down the slippery slope directly into Fascism. The real shame is, that once America turns into a total military state, and you no longer have a job, or a home, or any freedom, all you and the rest of the lemmings will be able to say is, "Whoops...maybe Obama wasn't so bad...."

Roseann February 16, 2012 at 10:54 pm

Maybe you all should be going after the real enemies, like the Billionaire's who control just about everything, the real 1%. For example, this man, who just recently claimed to be on the side of angels while in Davos. The same dude who said he was a god.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977 7) MoveOn.org: This California-based entity was the only one of the Shadow Party's core groups that was not a new startup operation. Launched in September 1998, MoveOn is a Web-based political network that organizes online activists around specific issues, raises money for Democratic candidates, generates political ads, and is very effective at recruiting young people to support Democrats.256 In November 2003, Soros pledged to give MoveOn $5 million to help its cause.257 OR THIS 'There will be riots on streets of America': George Soros predicts class war in U.S. as euro triggers collapse of global economyBillionaire New York investor warns of impending economic meltdown Supports Occupy Wall Street, Democrats and Obama re-election efforts Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091190/George-Soros-predicts-U-S-riots-insists-Euro-saved-global-economy-collapse.html#ixzz1malyk7xP Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091190/George-Soros-predicts-U-S-riots-insists-Euro-saved-global-economy-collapse.html#ixzz1malsDdft Know who you are associated with, that's all.

Jackie Traynere February 16, 2012 at 10:56 pm

i own a business also, and we have to pay tax on our profits. Not sure what you mean about barking up a tree. All i was trying to do was point out we have a lot of folks with need and we have some wealthy folks that due to our tax system are not hurting rioght now. I am not in any way suggesting that small business owners should pay more. I am talking about folks making millions.....not thousands

Jackie Traynere February 16, 2012 at 10:57 pm

Well said Nancy

jaskie1505 February 17, 2012 at 12:57 am

it sounds like you want America to become more of a socialistic society rather than a capitalistic society. Jackie, you said it's ok to make thousands of dollars in profit but not millions, at least not without being forced to share it. As a business owner I should have the right to grow my business and make as much as possible, and if I decide to "share the wealth", it will be because I believe in the cause and not because I'm forced to support a cause.

Jackie Traynere February 17, 2012 at 11:41 am

Nothing wrong with Capilalism. We are all connected and need to work for the common good. I am not implying that you can't grow your business and make as much as you want to make, but like all the good things in life there is a cost. You don't make that money on your own. You use public services to do so. You can't make it a "if I decide" thing. Didn't you learn that you have to share to get along in this world when you were a toddler in the sandbox? We are all forced to support a cause each and every day because we are all in this together. The only way around that, is a permanent trip to the moon or perhaps one below the ground.

jaskie1505 February 17, 2012 at 01:01 pm

Jackie, I pay to use these public services through my tax dollars. I paid for them most of my life with every job I've had. If you don't work, you still use these public services and are not paying for them. If you don't make enough money or any money, you get all your tax dollars back.
When it comes to sharing. I've shared all my life. But it sounds like you or someone you appoint will determine who I share with and how much. So, who get's to play God and determined where my "shared" dollars go? What if you decide to give these dollars to a cause or people that I don't believe in. Do I just stand around, bend over and say "go ahead and rape me again". Please tell me who determines how much is shared and who will receive these shared dollars. This I really want to hear.

Jackie Traynere February 17, 2012 at 01:06 pm

We do, through our elected officials. They are called tax dollars. I am not sure what else you thought I was talking about, but it seems you thought something else by your question.

jaskie1505 February 17, 2012 at 01:16 pm

Your earlier comments sounded like you wanted to determine who would get my charity dollars. So what your saying is raise taxes and give the additional money to people that have no idea on how to budget these dollars. Why do you think we are trillions of dollars in debt as it is. Sounds logical. NOT

Roseann February 17, 2012 at 01:19 pm

Politics
Millionaire Elizabeth Warren Claims She Is Not a Wealthy Individual Who Owns a Lot of Stock Posted on January 28, 2012 at 2:33pm by Madeleine Morgenstern Print »Email » Comments (187) AP Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren turned a few heads after she appeared on MSNBC Thursday and declared she isn’t a wealthy individual who owns a lot of stock. “I realize there are some wealthy individuals – I’m not one of them, but some wealthy individuals who have a lot of stock portfolios,“ Warren said on ”The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell.” The issue with that statement is that Warren — who’s running against Republican Scott Brown — could be worth as much as $14.5 million, Buzzfeed pointed out. Financial disclosure forms show she and her husband own between $100,001 and $250,000 of IBM stock, and between $2.8 million and $7.9 million in TIAA-CREF funds, the Boston Globe reported. A Harvard professor, Warren earned about $700,000 last year, including book royalties and consulting fees, and lives in a house worth $5 million

Roseann February 17, 2012 at 01:23 pm

According to this fundraiser invitation (via Politico), billionaire financier George Soros has joined up with Massachusetts’ Elizabeth Warren, the Democrat hoping to unseat Republican Scott Brown. For a measly few thousand dollars, supporters can lend their support to Ms. Warren’s campaign:
Soros is one wicked evil spooky dude. You've been warned. This is what MoveOn.org is really all about. Spread the wealth around right back to the 1% NOT the 99%.

jaskie1505 February 17, 2012 at 01:25 pm

Roseann, if you are correct, that this movement is to help the rich get richer, I'll support it. Thanks for clearing that up.

my opinion February 17, 2012 at 02:51 pm

You can make money too, if you want to risk it all in the market. This is a Risk / reward thing. Take a risk and start your own business, then you can make it rich.
No one was ever promised that they would become rich working for the man. Earn a living yes, wealthy no. If you want to become rich, become the man by working hard and risking it all.

my opinion February 17, 2012 at 02:51 pm

Just wait for the G8 meetings in Chicago. Can you say "1968 convention"? Where ever the G8 meet there are always violent protests. Occupy will be there. Although aren't their 99% shrinking and loosing focus? As if they were ever focused to begin with.

my opinion February 17, 2012 at 03:00 pm

Question - how much taxes are enough? 50%, 60%, 80%? I don't think anyone should pay more than 35% at the highest level. These moveon.org people who belive that the government should distribute the wealth are a bunch of socialists. What is this Russia 1917? No, this is the USA. The secret to success is EDUCATION!!! Everyone in this country gets a k-12 education for free. Many of us have paid for our own and our children's college educations. Either through savings or loans.
By the way MOVEON.ORG is a PAC / Lobbyist group interested in one thing, moving their "Progressive" (read Liberal) agenda forward.

my opinion February 17, 2012 at 03:06 pm

Everyone knows that corporations / businesses don't pay taxes. If the government taxes them what do they do? They raise the price of their goods or services. So who really pays the taxes? We the consumers. So when people want the government to raise corporate taxes all they are asking is that our taxes be raised.
The sad part is all these progressives are unfairly taxing the poor. The poor are the ones who can least afford paying more money for the essentials - gas, food, clothing.

Bill February 17, 2012 at 03:34 pm

<<<<"peteee363
5:05 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012 so we are to overlook the rapes, murders, rampant drug use, and private property damage?">>>> Link, please.

Bill February 17, 2012 at 04:55 pm

The Bible says, "Go from the presence of the foolish man when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge." IOW - don't waste your time arguing with an idiot.

Bill February 17, 2012 at 05:03 pm

<<<<"my opinion
9:51 am on Friday, February 17, 2012 You can make money too, if you want to risk it all in the market. This is a Risk / reward thing. Take a risk and start your own business, then you can make it rich. No one was ever promised that they would become rich working for the man. Earn a living yes, wealthy no. If you want to become rich, become the man by working hard and risking it all.">>>> Rich people like Romney and Soros are no longer "risking" anything. Bill Gates "lost" $50billion when the tech bubble burst. Tell me his standard of living changed one iota. I agree with a return on risk. If I put my measly sum into a small business startup, I expect some return if it succeeds. If I bet and lose money that I don't need, that is not risk. That is gambling plain and simple. If I put a quarter into a slot machine and lose, big deal. If I win $100,000 that's just luck. I didn't "earn" it. And I didn't produce one positive thing for society. And I would expect to pay a heavy tax on that free money. TTFRA!

Bill February 17, 2012 at 07:10 pm

<<<jaskie1505
4:46 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012 I truly have a hard time understanding the logic behind the occupy movement. Wish someone could explain to me how they expect businesses to create jobs and survive if they cannot make a profit.">>> Precisely!!! No businessperson worth a damn would hire someone unless their sales justified the hire! So how will tax breaks make them hire? Sales MUST come before any hiring will be done. And no sales will happen when people have no money. And people will have no money until they have jobs. And there's our Catch 22. So where do jobs come from when the private sector can't - and shouldn't - create jobs? Well, we live together as a country so we can enjoy the benefits that living together as a community brings. Take insurance, as an example. We all put money into a pool, and if someone needs the money at some time to cover a loss, they get paid. When we all contribute to the national pool, when the private sector can't - and shouldn't - create jobs, the money for jobs comes from the national pool to do necessary things like create and repair infrastructure, provide jobs training, etc. If you don't want to live in a community where people support each other, fine. Move.

milanastray February 17, 2012 at 08:17 pm

Ah for the glory days back in '38, when rivers ran red with the blood of the communists and the republicans. Franco wouldn't have put up with any of this mamby pampy nonsense between you Dems & GOP. our form of political debate back then was to line em up against a wall. admittedly, the process didn't leave much room for counterpoint, but then, we were right. by God, we were always right. Viva La Muerte!

Bill February 18, 2012 at 12:22 am

<<<"my opinion
10:00 am on Friday, February 17, 2012 Question - how much taxes are enough? 50%, 60%, 80%? I don't think anyone should pay more than 35% at the highest level. These moveon.org people who belive that the government should distribute the wealth are a bunch of socialists. What is this Russia 1917?">>> No. How about USA 1950's. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) Marginal Tax Rate on Regular Income over $400,000: 92% - 91% <<<"The secret to success is EDUCATION!!! ">>> Except for all those dot com millionaires that never went to college. <<<"By the way MOVEON.ORG is a PAC / Lobbyist group interested in one thing, moving their "Progressive" (read Liberal) agenda forward.">>> OMG! Good thing the conservatives don't want to move their agenda forward. That would be wrong! (duh)

Bill February 18, 2012 at 12:32 am

Frank - Are you kidding? These TEA (Too Extreme for America) types are all for a military state. That's the only spending they refuse to cut, even though the US spends the same amount on military as the rest of the world COMBINED. (eg US = $700billion, China = $100billion, the #2 spender). You may be sick of these jerks, but there is a LOT of them. America is getting dumber by the day. OMG. Palin? Cain???? Serious contenders for POTUS???!!!!!!!! The US is done. Idiocracy is here.

Roseann February 18, 2012 at 12:37 am

You're welcome.
Now read this: Guest Post: Exploring The Not-So-Altruistic Aspects Of The "Buffett Rule" Exelon is directly tied to the Obama administration: Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod act as consultants, two top Exelon advisors are Obama fundraisers, and the company lobbies heavily for more greenhouse-gas restraints to drive demand for its nuclear power. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-exploring-not-so-altruistic-aspects-buffett-rule But don't take my word for it. With many of Berkshire's companies, your loss as a taxpayer will be their gains.

Bill February 18, 2012 at 01:17 am

Your wages are competitive because unemployment is high. If there were (theoretically) no unemployment, and businesses had to compete for workers instead of workers compete for jobs, you would be paying your workers much more. So, what is a fair return for the owner of a business? What is a fair wage for labor? Or is fair not in the equation? But that's why the market, in its infinite wisdom, came up with the concept of a union. If no one is willing to work for a wage considered unfair, then the market demands a higher wage. So, does competitive = fair? For the most part, yes, for example your case. I think you are doing nothing wrong. If you are a small business owner, you work your butt off and sometimes, in the beginning especially, make less per hour than your employees. But if a CEO is making tens of millions while a child somewhere in the world is paid to sit in the dirt stitching soccer balls for less money than it takes to keep fed and housed, is that still fair? The wages are competitive in that country, but how can anyone say its fair to pay a person below subsistence wages when the executives make enormous salaries at very little risk. In fact, if they get fired, they often still get tens of millions in severence and move on to their next high paying job. Fair? Come on.

Bill February 18, 2012 at 01:32 am

Yep. Warren is wealthy, like just about every politician in Washington. And a fool to think she isn't, just as McCain thought that "rich" is maybe $5million and didn't even know how many houses he owns. The only thing I can say in her support is that at least she speaks up for the 99%, and doesn't trash them or think everyone gets exactly what they deserve. If I have to vote for a rich fool, I'll vote for the one that at least says she is going to fight for the average person and not con them for a vote by making them believe that they could one day be a multi-millionaire, so you better not tax the rich.

Bill February 18, 2012 at 01:46 am

<<<"Roseann
7:37 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012 Now read this: Exelon is directly tied to the Obama administration: Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod act as consultants, two top Exelon advisors are Obama fundraisers, and the company lobbies heavily for more greenhouse-gas restraints to drive demand for its nuclear power. But don't take my word for it. With many of Berkshire's companies, your loss as a taxpayer will be their gains.">>> Absolutely. Do you think most people that support MoveOn support Obama? Many do, but many, if not most from my experience, do not. But if it's bad in this case, isn't it bad in all cases? As a previous poster so insightfully noticed, MoveOn only wants to forwards its progressive agenda. If that means voting for Obama to beat back the rising tide of corporatism and right wing extremism, we'll hold our nose and do it. Are you willing to criticize Cheney for his funneling billions to his old company Haliburton? Obama is not my candidate. He is a temporary plug in a failing dam.