I love how all these pro-gun people are trying to force teachers to carry guns. Did they ever stop to think whether the teachers themselves actually want that?

Two different teachers unions say NO to that stupid idea.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/18/Teacher-Union-Sandy-Hook-Shooting-Proves-Teachers-Shouldn-t-Have-Guns

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/12/18/teachers-union-no-sane-person-wants-teachers-to-carry-guns-in-class/

The question is when you say semi auto-matic. Where do you draw the line. Most 9mm handguns are semi -automatic. Do you eliminate all those. You can purchase a shotgun in semi automatic do those go as well? There have been handgun bans in cook county for many years. Did that stop people from owning a handgun nope. If you have a ban I thing you can count on Ida mass amount of people who go out and buy a gun just to get it pre-ban.

I couldnt agree with you more. Just like the 1st Amendment doesn't allow you to say anything you want, at anytime, there should be limits placed on what type of weapons citizens should be able to own.

Richard,
You are not aware of the criteria necessary for concealed carry or all the regulations and laws. There are 8 million law-abiding citizens trained and licensed to carry concealed firearms. You have school shootings in Canada too. Do some research.

Go back to Canada! Us Americans love our guns. If you don't like the 2nd amendment, and want to criticise gun lovers, than go move to another country. Too many people died for our rights!

"Or did we forget that these guns are not just for hunting,and self defense and that they are a deterrent to other countries.."

Talk about being paranoid. The death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent. Texas has executed more criminals than any other state. If the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent, you would think crimes that get the death penalty in Texas would be close to zero.

"..Like example Switzerland right now has over 500,000 registered AR-15's know how many times they have been invaded.Not a once"

How many times has the US been invaded? Doesn't the US have the best military in the world. After all how much do we spend on our military?

Look bud quit it with the paranoid crap you already tried it on the other discussion...People like you with this it's up to others to protect me crap just shows the rest of us how ignorant you really are...you just keep trying to ignore facts as you have on the other gun discussions like you have been. I was beginning to think it was for attention because I though no one can really be that stupid to think it would be a safer nation if citizens were unarmed..but then I kept reading your ignorance and seen it was not for show people can really be that stupid to think it is not their responsibility to protect themselves....as I said before you just go a head an see what that police report will do for ya...and let others see what their guns will do for them...parinoid yeah parinoid people like you who want to mold the world to fit their means and not seeing stuff for what it is,creating more victims by waiting for someone to save them...put a sign up in your front yard saying you do not believe in guns and watch how fast your house gets robbed bud and you know it.

I will not quit it. I have a 1st Amendment right to speech. I will continue to expose your BS for what it is . You are paranoid because you think there is a bad man around every corner and in every governement and they are all out to get you and take your weapons.

I have posted a number of links where gun control laws work in other countries to dispute your so-called facts, but you can care less. You always come up with BS execuse as to why they will not work in the US. You don't even want to consider control laws in this country. Instead you feel the answer to the gun problem is more guns, more powerful guns and arming everyone to the hilt.

If there were no guns, there were be no gun violence.

It is sad that you think the only way to defend yourself is a gun. I bet if you were in situation and your gun ran out of bullets or was knocked out of your hand, you wouldn't know what to do.

What has gun control done for America buddy.? Who is going to be disarmed? People who the government knows has guns or people they do not know has guns? You honestly think people will just hand over their weapons...you think countries that banned guns has no citizens with guns?
And if there were no knives ther would be no stabbings,no marriages then no spousal abuse,no children no child abuse,no heavy objects then no blunt force trauma,no cars then no hit and runs,now military then no wars,no people then no politics,no houses then no bank fraud,no money no problems,

You got me all wrong bud I been in some good fights,..but who fights with fists now? Defend myself..you have no clue about me bud..been defending myself since I was a kid with cancer,been giving mouthshots since I was able to fight back...I left the bar one time went and got into a fight and was back at the bar before my beer got warm...when it was done 2 people laid in their yards one looking up at the sky with his hands curled..and he was twitching...the bones in my hands hurt from fighting and working..so just so you know I can defend my self..nothing and I never said I wanna walk around with a gun...not everyone can defend themselves..some people just do not have the strength nor the heart..but they will shoot you out of drear for messing with them...

"And if there were no knives ther would be no stabbings,no marriages then no spousal abuse,no children no child abuse,no heavy objects then no blunt force trauma,no cars then no hit and runs,now military then no wars,no people then no politics,no houses then no bank fraud,no money no problems,"

And BS response. You really don't want to discuss this issue.

Better go look under your bed, there may be a boogie man coming out to get you. Did you serach your house for wire taps, the government may be listening in on all your conversations.

"You got me all wrong bud I been in some good fights,..but who fights with fists now?"

Real men. I know you wouldnt be able to because you just rely on your gun for defense.

Lol you didn't read the rest of it..lol didn't have anything to say about me knocking mofos out though .lol I'll fight bite gouge eyes..done it,will do it again if need be...but in the end I will get old and not able to...when I stomped on his face he started twitching..his eyes staring off in the sky...lol I don't like to fight but I am good at it for sure..but I can also shoot straight as hell...

The FAA wanted airlines to secure their cockpit doors back in the late 70's, but the airlines were against it until 9/11. That all changed quickly. Just think what could have been prevented if only the airlines listened sooner.

Tell me which country has used nuclear weapons...it wasn't Germany or Poland.
Which country had started two wars using bad intelligence.

Not to get off the subject, but you brought it up....

"Which country had started two wars using bad intelligence."

Yeah, that's why the world is concerned that Syria will use chemical weapons (weapons of mass distruction) on its own people. Humm, where do you think the Syrians got the chemical weapons? Intelligence was telling us back in the early 2000's that Saddam sent his WMD to Syria to hide them for him. Guess the intelligence wasn't that far off.

Now back on topic: Ask Rahm Emanuel how the gun control laws in Chicago are working for him. Not down playing the Sandy Hill incident, but what about the AA teenagers and children getting gunned down every weekend in Chicago and DC, two cities with "tough" gun laws? Look at the damage done, children killed while sitting in there homes, sitting on their porches, and walking through their neighborhoods? Or don't you care because they're black?

Apparently they were the source off too much laughter.

Hunting people who are hunting other people to do as they please with...hunting people who bring fear upon people and invade their security...yep you got it..it's for hunting people who are hunting people..how do you know some stalker is not hunting you right now?...you dont

What a silly comparison. Serial killers like Gacy made friends with their victims first. He made them feel safe before killing them. You can have a serial killer do the same thing and then use a gun to kill them. Look at what Chris Vauughn did to his family.

Killing is killing no matter how you do it..being a victim is being a victim...from your words you wouldn't fight back because the criminal has a bigger faster weapon..remember....the chance that it sometimes that's all you need is a chance...

Funny you should mention that. If this weakling stormed the school with a baseball bat, hammer or knife, the death list would be a lot smaller, perhaps non-existent. Throw automatic weapons into the mix and he becomes an evil superhuman who could kill 28 people in the few minutes before first responders could arrive.

You tried to be a smart alec, but you just made the case for tighter gun control laws. Thank you.

and violent games...

Uncle Jesus: Should tighter gun control laws exist to the point where criminals and psychotic individuals had zero access to these guns, they would simply turn to other means to cause chaos and death.

Imagine what horrors could be had by throwing a brick through the window of a school, and following up with a Molotov cocktail or some sort of homemade bomb. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Besides, this "weakling" as you accurately describe him violated three gun control laws in that jurisdiction. Those laws did not protect those children. They won't protect mine, either. Neither would a "No Gun Zone" sign in the parking lot.

If you followed the media on this story, you'll notice some amazing loopholes. I wonder why we haven't heard anything further on the second man in handcuffs on the ground, or the other man chased into the woods? Isn't it odd that Lt. J Paul Vance indicates that independent journalists will be prosecuted if they report anything other than the official story as delivered by his microphone. Something stinks here.

But I digress.

The lunatics will always pose a threat. But guns have the capacity to protect. It's all in the intent of the user.

Any delay in reload might have helped save a child last week...or two...or ten and that makes it worth enacting reasonable laws. No more will people look at those little faces of dead children and simply shrug them off. You might, but the majority of your countrymen will not. The time for contrition is nigh and it is not usefully spent throwing flowers at a murder site and going back home. Reason will once again rule the day whether your are ready or not.

Uncle Jesus: If a delay in reload might have save one child last week, as you speculate, image what good a concealed firearm might have done.

The shooter might have been found dead in the office, his first destination, instead of in a classroom.

So, if we're going to speculate here, let's look at it from both sides of the argument. A properly licensed concealed firearm on the hip or in the purse of a trained civilian would do much better than any gun control law you propose ever could.

Don't believe me? Google Nick Meli Clackamas. I would love to know your thoughts on the Clackamas shooting, with this knowledge.

Is that like the idea of arming pilots? Seems to have worked for them.

SonofJohn, some people prefer to make decisions on issues based solely on emotions. Some people prefer to use facts and analysis as the basis for their decisions.

Right now, many people are too emotional over what happened to allow a rational, fact-based approach into their decisions. This is understandable. If someone's political inclination is against guns, for whatever reason, then what just happened only servers to fuel their sense of being right. Facts don't enter into the issue, which is why we don't want people making important decisions so soon after an emotional incident. This is no different.

If you notice, most arguments in favor of some sort of gun control in this thread don't have anything to do with the guns themselves. They deal with the mental state of the person or the time it takes to reload a gun or the look of the gun (it looks like something the military would use), etc. But none of these deal with the real problems.

We have plenty of laws on the books now and these are simply not enforced. We don't need any more laws. We need 'smart' laws that don't punish citizens exercising their rights because of the actions of a few.

Bear this is mind, our founding fathers have been right regarding the armed citizenry from the gitgo! Here is an example (for those libtards who actually can read and comprehend):

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." --Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishment, quoted by Thomas Jefferson in Commonplace Book

So Katrina, I'll ask the question. What needs to be done to protect the children in your charge? What is the best outcome and action to protect your charges.Yes I believe teachers that will not look at all avenues are unreliable in that they would think the police will be johnny on the spot when this massacre happens again, and it will happen again Katrina. I await your ideas for the fix. Please remember we are a republic and we are a free people and we have inalienable rights that cannot be removed, rights from God.

And I mean hire them and place them in our schools.

I love your idea. Our military men/women are highly skilled. We can use them right here at home. A new industry can be created. Instead of paying premium for school administrators. Use that money to staff highly skilled and armed ex-military.

That's funny. The entire history behind why we even have a 2nd amendment, is because the Catholics wanted to keep taking the guns away from the Protestants.

Which leads to the next Adolph Hitler quote:
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."

So, lets all keep an eye out and make sure this doesn't ever happen again, ok? Christian Fundamenltalism; taking away guns from everyone but themselves, outlawing abortion, endorsing corporal punishment, and depriving homosexuals rights to life and liberty.
All in the name of 'christ'.

Sound familiar?